we keep getting reports like duren wants X and then the pistons meeting it and then duren actually wanting 5m more lmao

i mean its working so maybe he eventually crawls up to the max max

You should go higher. He’s an all NBA player. Clearly needs more than ⁵⁄₂₀₀. And ignore my flair

Makes no sense that we’re the ones folding

Duren has no leverage here. The QO was never a real option. It didn’t make from a risk perspective or from a financial perspective

It’s because you will never recoup the value of an all star at 22 playing a position that is not abundant for talent after you teams best season in 20 years

You have no center if he leaves and he made all NBA at 22 years old, you got to pay him what he wants just to secure the asset. Even if he doesn’t deserve it.

Lakers did the same thing with Reaves and that man didn’t make a single all star game and is a defensive liability. You trade them later if it doesn’t work out.

He has the potential to be the best young center along with Edey going forward (aside from yhe obviously Wemby).

I think he was eligible for the max of 5 at 285 they allegedly offered him 190 and he wanted 200-210. If they told him 20 a year take it or leave it I can understand him being offended and not wanting to sign.

The problem is the length. 40/yr on 4 years would be fine, but 5 is terrible if this dude doesn’t take a leap

Been saying for a while, he’s not nearly good enough defensively to be Ben Wallace on offense in the playoffs.

Even regular season he’s just a hustle and dunk merchant when teams aren’t trying as hard.

I want us to stay away from him, let Ausar run the defense and find literally anyone else other than a big that can’t score or play defense at an elite level.

Who are you getting to replace him at the 5?

Once he signs the QO, he can veto any trade.

This ain’t 2k playboy

Oh it’s that easy to just go and find a suitable replacement? What are the Pistons doing then? Are they stupid?

You guys have no idea what you’re talking about. Him taking the QO is worst case scenario and exactly what they’re trying to avoid

he loses all trade value once he signs the QO, thats the worst case scenario for the pistons

That is what this all comes down to I think. The FO being set that cade/ausar/duren as teh top 3 guys is just doomed to fail, the spacing will suck too much. THey should have been ahead of this and traded one of those 2 guys for a better fit (if there was one to be had) but now that they made the choice, they’re stuck either committing to a poor fit player or risk losing him for nothing; both are bad options.

As a Pacers fan I can tell you center’s can get quite costly.

yep you can already tell this is gonna age horribly

Honestly its kinda 3, Cade is a veryyy streaky shooter.

Who is the suitable replacement?

Who’s this suitable replacement?

Defense and depth have won before.

Suitable center, lol, name one.

That Ausar contract is bad, not Duren’s

Good thing you’re not the gm

Which will be some other high paid bum

My thoughts exactly Cade already struggled with their terrible shooting and duren already looked like a guy who you can just pack the paint against. He was useless against the magics and cavs big front courts. He’s not strong enough to just bully other bigs around especially in the playoffs when they are game planning for him nightly.

I think they ar much better off making him take the QO and then trying to trade him for some assets to build a better roster. This situation has already gone on too long and they are gonna overpay him atp, he’s not worth 200 mill imo.

I think they want to sign him to trade him. Can’t trade for anything if he signs the qualifying offer. But the more he signs, the more you can get back for him theoretically. Otherwise you get stuck like the Lakers did with Austin Reeves. Now If lakers want to get rid of Reeves, they can get a lot more from him due to how big his contract is.

Then good luck explaining Cade why they lost their starting and back up Center after winning 60 games.

Center is sadly the worst position to try and fill right now, so Duren has a lot of leverage, even though he would have been laughed out of the building normally.

What other options are available at C? Market for a solid starting C is really bad

ok now you lose him, you have cade, you lose 18-10 and take a huge step back with no way to pay someone else in the market.

\(40mm a year puts you at 43rd highest salary in the NBA this year - \)30mm isn’t that much lower.

i mean explain how 200m would be more favorable to the pistons than duren without it being half non guaranteed

the thing is, if he takes the qualifying offer and gets a full max contract as a free agent from the Kings next year, he’ll get… $200 million over five years lol. Technically speaking when you factor in time value of money the Pistons deal is actually better, and, you know, guaranteed. Plus you don’t have to play for the Kings

duren went to the Dennis Schroeder School of bargaining for more money.

Add a duper rich to that one lol.

Perfect distillation of the situation

He has a family to feed

- Nerlens Noel and Dennis Shroeder lol

The risk of injury alone makes any long term deal worth it! Has to find a way to get over the perceived slight.

Exactly it’s like he thinks he won’t have a healthy income off endorsements alone 🤦🏻‍♂️ 200 M’s is multi generational wealth you can’t deny yourself that bc those deals for a lot of guys may only come once

Who would you consider Duren’s peers?

I think the stupidest thing in all this, is that if he signs the qualifying offer and waits until next off-season, he doesn’t get more money. The only reason he can get this much is because it’s his team. I’m all for getting as much money as they can off these billionaires, but at a certain point they’re just gonna fuck you.

Giving a shit about being disrespected in this case is what I can’t understand. People need to grow up and act like adults. He needs to look at the numbers and what options there are. Respect should not enter into the equation.

No contract is unmoveable & if he still sucks ass Detroit have to move him while he still gets paid.

Win win for him.

The real issue is if they didn’t believe in him there were multiple teams willing to give him the large deal outright. The pistons chased those teams off then threw a low ball offer. It’s such a shitty underhanded negotiating tactic, threaten all suitors away saying “we will wait to match to ruin your cap in free agency” and then turn around and tell Duren fuck you, you aren’t worth that.

How do you reconcile telling a guy he’s not worth that after chasing away teams willing to pay him that in the open market?

5 years always seemed like a long time when I was younger. Then 5, 10,…goes right by and you are like, shit, I’m still here? SIGN the 200! Can always get more if he continues to be good. If not, he’ll never regret taking 200.

He’s 22 and had a great season outside of the playoffs. It’s not crazy for him to think he can take a QO, have a great season with some growth in his game, and then get another big contract right after.

We expect talented 22 year olds to get better. Detroit is also taking a big risk here.

Pride is a bitch

i was wondering. so he’s getting \(40m instead of \)47m - can’t hurt to ask for more but secure the bag.

What’s wrong with you genius…

57M - 40M = 17M…

Or 285M - 200M = 85M over 5 years.

Now think before you speak.

The team openly disrespected Duren. He talked to teams and they were willing to give him the max and made him feel valued. The pistons refused to even discuss a sign and trade and threatened to wait to match just to screw over anyone who wanted Duren and chased them away. Then after all that they turn around and give him an insultingly low offer.

It’s not even about the money at this point, he knows the pistons don’t value him and will Blake griffin him as soon as they can.

It’s insane to root against the player here and not the greedy billionaire franchise that’s disrespecting an employee

Dennis was not close to making 40m a year…

People been comparing Duren to Dennis since this whole thing started. Idk how so many people had trouble understanding you lmao

You think Schroeder was offered more than this?

By taking the qualifying offer instead of signing this, Duren would be going from \(40m to \)9.6m, a lost of $30.4m which is more than double what Schroeder lost.

not even close. Warriors offered horrible contracts to Kuminga with qualifiers and team options

Fuck that, I dont like GMs playing on my phone. I keeps it real.

He’s already losing out on 30m this year if he takes the qualifying offer and there’s no guarantee that he gets a max next year because he could always get hurt or disappear in the playoffs again.

They can’t.

Right? Like the list of top paid centers in the league is fuckin Embiid, Jokic, AD, KAT, and Bam with Wemby coming in at sixth. Those are all guys who can carry a team for extended periods and Duren has not proved himself to be capable of that at all.

Is it Kuminga’s agent?

Well…Devil’s advocate here…but those guys are all worth waaaaaay more than the max. It’s just that, you know, they can’t get it. Legally.

This is what people just don’t understand. You don’t have to be better than them, you have to be good enough to need, and better than the next best guy by a good amount. He’s getting that offer because there’s no fucking shot Detroit finds someone else as good as him for any reasonable amount of money.

I’m sure the agent isn’t dumb enough to burn millions in commission. It’s likely his inner circle

Or maybe he’s just fucking stupid?

How about a guy who averages ²⁰⁄₁₀ and then disappears for the playoffs?

That’s why they are willing to give him \(40mill. If he was averaging 15/7 he would make \)25mill

someone send this dude pictures of Schroeder’s starving family!

Nah. If respect is part of the discussion, that is always a player being stupid. No agent is not going to push for a good deal because they player was disrespected. Agents don’t get a cut of respect.

He is ultimately responsible for deciding who is on his personal team. So yeah I think he is dumb enough to pass on this money.

Bro needs to fire this team then lol

You would think one of his teammates would talk him straight lol its ridiculous

Well his team works for him

If he says “take the $200 million” then it happens. It’s definitely not on his team. His agent is obligated to follow his instructions.

Cam Thomas sends regards.

Kawhi is that you? Getting the fall guys ready I see

Anyone got tabs on Uncle Dennis? This feels like an Uncle Dennis scheme

I really hate that excuse. He’s a grown ass fucking man so why are we Infantilizing an adult by saying that he has no control over his “team”? Duren being a greedy idiot is all on him, no one else.

We gotta stop this nonsense. It is ultimately the player’s decision.

Yea this isn’t just his ego anymore his team should’ve signed that offer for him at this point.

Why are we assigning blame here when we don’t know yet whether we should be giving critique or praise?

I’m down for reading between the lines here on what this report means about negotiations, but you don’t know what the hell Duren has “passed up” on because this hasn’t finished.

His agents only other nba client is Teri Eason. I wouldn’t be surprised if 80% of the bs has been his agent being a complete knob

Jalen Mein Kampf Duren

caviar vs gold laced baluga caviar every morning. It’s a big difference

One gamble paying off does not mean the next will

Yeah honestly good for him. He stuck to his guns and the team looks like they are the ones with no leverage. He asked for 40 M, they said no, so he said he’ll play on the QO and started twerking for Sacramento.

The Pistons realized he was serious and upped it to what he wanted in the first place. Now anything he demands is surplus and if they don’t go up from there he still wins because he got what he wanted in the beginning.

I’m wondering if we are going to reevaluate how we look at these things if Duren gets a great contract. Right now, a lot of people are still calling him an idiot here even as his reported possible salary increases.

Seriously everyone trashed him for not taking their offer before he needed to then the number went up by 8 figures and now people are trashing him again for not taking it.

If he does actually sign the QO it would seem monumentally stupid to me but it actually has to happen first.

Boo fucking hoo

this was before the summer before he made a massive leap and became an all star

The rumors from last season, when he became extension eligible, he declined a ⁵⁄₁₂₅ extension. That offer was more than a good faith offer at the time. He was just coming of a year where his offense dropped and he looked horrible on defense.

The way this is worded is saying the Pistons offered 20m early on and he felt slighted by that when he never had shown to be worth more than $20m AAV prior to this year.

much more than than 25m would be an overpay imo. i’m low on this dude. he’s mid on defense and has no offensive skillset. he farms points off hustle plays and catching lobs. not that hustling is bad. but when you’re trying to build a contender, you need to plan around the playoffs when everyone is going to be hustling and your top players have to be able to do a lot more than that. i don’t see enough signs of any real skillset in his game that makes me believe he’s going to get a lot better than he currently is.

He started out asking for the max so Pistons countered back at $25 mill and now they’ve met in the middle.

I don’t think Duren and/or his agent(Based on how much money he cost Tari Reason) understand how negotiations work

Why? It’s better off if we trade him anyway

Make 200 in detroit and get another fat contract at 28. Like trying to get a horse to drink water.

you only get stuck if you’re not worth the contract, and Duren clearly believes he is

Yes to earn 200 million dollars

S/Ts are almost impossible now with the way the salary is counted. Durens 40 million only count as 20 in a trade, so it wouldn’t be possible to do it for Sabonis. Pistons would need to add a lot of salary just to get a player they don’t even want.

As they shouldn’t. Sabonis is a good player who will never contribute to real winning. Sucks because he’s fun and likable.

LMFAO - I can’t tell if you guys are referencing the Dylan Larkin fiasco and making a joke or are totally clueless because you don’t follow hockey, but holy shit if he does this a mob might be formed to come for himwith their pitchforks in Detroit.

Detroit mending the relationships with Megatron & Barry Sanders wasn’t for free. They gotta pay the bill now.

You guys have a timeline?

Y’all maxing him if he blows out his Achilles? That’s the risk he’s taking. Anything can happen in the NBA

Team negotiating the best deal for themselves = being smart about money

Player negotiating the best deal for themselves = stupid

Why wouldn’t he make it up? He’d make more money if he signed for a max next summer?

You’ll be alright? Is he going to Orlando?

Tbf its his first playoffs and it was 2 rounds I wouldn’t call that more than enough evidence. It’s a terrible sign, but it’s not damning

They cant really do that. Duren may fumble a huge bag here but it would be terrible business for the Pistons if he walks for free next summer. Absolute worst case situation.

Ayton would just explode into those 12 foot middies, he was a FREAK

Yeah $200 million is already a generational wealth, even after taxes and agent cuts. He should ask how Schröder and Kuminga feel about those missed contracts.

Structure seems to be ⁵⁄₂₀₀, no team opt, full guarantee…

Ego is crazy

or they took too long to offer it and that’s what pissed Duren off and now he won’t sign out of spite

it’d be very stupid of him but it’s possible

It’s all about market demand. Where else can they get a big like him?

But they already doubled the offer. Also these players are supposed to be professionals; they should always expect that the team will always try to offer a lot less at first.

He’s basically trying to make you guys up your price to what he wants because he knows you can’t lose him for nothing. Their offer will be there by deadline so there’s no reason for him to sign early.

The 20 million was before last season

Also, if he takes the qualifying offer and has any sort of major injury, he’ll never see that amount of money again. There is literally no reason for him to be declining $200 million. to play the game of basketball.

Dude might actually just be stupid

The report I read was that Pistons’ latest offer was \(190 M and he wanted at least \)200 M, which would make it penny pinching by Pistons if they can’t make the difference of \(2M a year. But if it's now \)200 M they are offering, I think it’s pretty fair despite the fact that he’s technically eligible for super max and $200 M is quite a bit less than even regular max. Given what he showed, or didn’t show, in the playoffs, that’s fair. Not like he was ²⁰⁄₁₀ for even half his time there. And I really don’t think Pistons would be willing to go any higher because if they were, they would have already. And as a restricted FA, his options are super limited this late in free agency.

At this point, he should cut his loss whatever his goal was, and if he’s really feeling all sorts of way about it, take care of his performance first then demand trade a year or two later.

I’d gladly let you spit on me if you then hand me $200,000,000……..brother what 🤣

Kuminga didn’t make an all star team, someone else will pay the guy. But he’s being dumb all the same

If he does that it’s just because him and he team can’t do math. People online keep saying he “fumbling the bag” as he’s getting offered more money

I think decades of NBA history tells us how much a non creator, non shooter, mediocre passer and defender at the C position is worth

he is not worth more than 40 million dollars a year, this sub is against him because he keeps making dumb decisions, FAFO

If Jalen Duran is getting screwed by a 33M/year or 40M/year contract, I’ll happily take his place. Hell I’ll bring the baby oil.

Tbf, cap used to go up more than max raises, so it used to be less scary to be locked in to a young player. Now, with second apron concerns and BRI going up 3-5% instead of 10% every year, you have to get improvement for a huge contract to be worth it.

$200m for an ok player is getting screwed now

How is it stupid when the plan is working tho? The pistons are increasing the offer. It’s his and his agent job to maximize his career/earnings.

I mean Pistons are slowly raising the offer every time and it’s not like they’re going to go back down, he doesn’t have that much to lose by playing chicken with them.

I’m fully expanded.

you know I’m correct, he can’t look himself in the mirror and be honest about his quality of play because he is too handsome

I am now.

he believes he can get essentially the same deal next year from the Kings

he’d have to survive one more season of trying to do something in the playoffs (and he’d have to be right that the Kings have nothing better to do), then he could have the money AND his idea of a stress free work life

Even with the Kings max it’s still less than this, he’s just an idiot lol

Yeah, if anything, this sounds like he believes in himself almost too much, to the point that he’s taking a pretty massive risk.

Maybe there’s a only a tiny chance he gets injured in such a way that there’s no monster contract to come, but it’s not a non-zero probability. We’ve seen players big and small, and old and relatively young, get hit with catastrophic/weird injuries that sends their career on a downward path.

Just take the money, give this year a shot, and try to force a trade in a year if you’re that unhappy.

in some sense taking the qo gives him the excuse that making less then 10 million totally justifies being mediocre and that he was sandbagging to secure the bag for next offseason.

Paul Reed aka BBall Paul